So here I sit, facing down another monster. You’d think that after all this time nestled down in my hole on this spinning globe, I’d be able to look challenges in the face and think of them as something less threatening than a monster. But then again, life is all about monsters.
The loss of a job. Graduation. A parent who’s scrambling to make ends meet. A breakup. A particularly large zit that has insisted on perching itself on the end of your nose just when you’d cleared up. In their own ways, every new challenge is a kind of monster, waiting to be conquered or courted, depending on the circumstances.
I face several such challenges at this point in my life.
First, there’s the website redesign which, after being nearly completed by one party in November was entirely scrapped because it just wasn’t doing the trick, know what I mean? Ouch. But we look to have take-two up mid to late March and we’re looking forward to courting this monster and winning him as a friend.
Second, there’s my first co-authored novel with a woman with the current release of KISS. It’s a twisting story that harkens back to the “old Ted” only this time with Erin Healy. Jennifer Deshler, the marketing guru at the publisher came up with the marketing tag “Heart Pounding meets Heart Warming” and I think that about sums it up. Typically I write my stories with my alter-ego sitting on my shoulder. Samantha, perhaps you know her. Perhaps that’s why working with Erin who also is a woman came so naturally to me. Early reviews are very strong.
Still, what will all the peeps say?
Thirdly, there’s the release of my first truly “mainstream” novel, BONEMAN’S DAUGHTER. Yes, the novel plumbs spiritual themes about God’s intense love in contrast to the love offered by a very, very wicked killer called BONEMAN, but it’s not specifically labeled as being a story solely for Christians any more than Jesus’ parables were labeled as such.
Says James Rollins, New York Times bestselling author of The Last Oracle: “Ted Dekker’s latest thriller BONEMAN’S DAUGHTERS is a tour-de-force of suspense that demands to be read in one sitting. A twisting story… made all the more visceral for its taut telling and conflicted characters. ”
Says Brad Meltzer, New York Times bestselling author of The Book of Lies: “BONEMAN’S DAUGHTERS doesn’t just get under your skin. It crawls there, and nests, and raises its head with a bitter tug, like it’s living within you.”
This novel seems to have struck a unique chord that I’ve sought to strike for years. And where’s the monster in this you ask? Yes, well this brings me to my whole point about being gay. And being Christian. Now please, hang with me here. My reasoning may stretch you, but you wouldn’t be reading anything written by me if you didn’t like to be stretched now and then.
You see, I used to be “gay.” In fact, if I had been published twenty years ago at the height of my gayness, I might have been branded “The Gay Author.”
Then things changed. I didn’t change, my happy self remained constant, as did all of what made me merry and carefree and thus I remained quite… well, gay. But the word “gay” itself began to change until one day it no longer meant happy, but rather “homosexual.” And once being gay, which only meant “happy,” I was no longer gay because I am now and always have been happily heterosexual.
No matter how much anyone might want the term gay to mean what it once did, it’s the hearer of a word, as much as the speaker, who determines any terms real meaning. That’s how words and communication works.
So the real challenge of being gay today is that I’m not. Although I was at one time and still am quite happy and carefree.
Now, back to BoneMan’s Daughter and, more specifically, whether BoneMan’s Daughters is a piece of Evangelical Christian Fiction. Like the word gay, the term “Evangelical Christian Fiction” has changed over the last twenty years. For starters the term “Evangelical” is fast becoming a measure of ones fanaticism and dedication to particular political and social agendas rather than a term that denotes doctrinal convictions or affiliations. The term “Christian” is close on its heels. Put together the meaning of phrase “Evangelical Christian” means one thing in Atlanta, and another thing entirely in New York or Boston. In one city it means protestant, in another it means bigoted, politically motivated, fundamentalist who hates liberals and is willing to take up arms to prove it. Or something like that.
If that is what is understood by “Evangelical Christian” than I have never written “Evangelical Christian” novels, and I should certainly never be counted as a bigoted, politically motivated, fundamentalist who hates liberals, particularly if I have any intention of following the teachings of Jesus. In fact, an argument could me made that in many places “Evangelical Christian” is decidedly un-Christian. Please take no offense, both are just words that became associated with Christ long after his time on earth.
I myself am a believer, unshaken in my convictions, and every novel I write grapples with those very same convictions. Still, BoneMan’s Daughters is my first which sheds the label “Evangelical Christian Fiction” in part because the term is radically misunderstood by half the country. Will Christian bookstores like Family, LifeWay and Parable still promote a book of mine like BoneMan’s Daughters which contains no offensive language or sex and explores God’s sacrificial love? Of course. It’s hardly different than Thr3e (which CBA stores voted fiction title of the year in 2003) or a number of other novels I’ve written in this respect. CBA stores carry many products and books not specifically labeled as “Evangelical,” beginning with the Bible itself.
Will my current readers buy BoneMan’s Daughter? If they like my thrillers, yes, it’s a humdinger and will challenge any reader’s understanding of God’s love.
But the issue of labeling a book surfaces a deeper one facing our culture today. Are our books decidedly Evangelical Christian? For that matter, are we? Are you? Or has the term’s meaning changed over time, like the word Gay?
If the term “Evangelical Christian” no longer properly describes a follower of Jesus to a growing segment of our society, should you, knowing this, use it?
Or, should you use the term only among those who understand what you mean by it, and use a different term among those who don’t know what you mean? I know it sounds like I’m begging the question, but I really do want you to help me form an opinion. This is an issue that is facing us all, including our good friends in CBA bookstores.
Tell me what you think by clicking on comments below, then go to the home page of Teddekker.com and vote on the poll. And thank you for carefully considering a difficult question.
There’s no such thing as “that’s gay” in Russia,If you say Gay in Russia it’s only means Homosexual, and that’s pretty much it.It was very unusal to see, learning English, how often people say “that’s gay” refferring to somthing that has nothing to do with same sex sex!
Does it mean that I’ve been perverted by this world, if homosexuality was the first thing that popped into my mind?
I believe “evangelical Christian” does still have a meaning, but I do not believe most people who claim to be one would know what that is, nor would they use it correctly – and I therefore think it is a term of little use anymore. I do not use it nor do I associate myself with it (but neither do I purposely avoid it). I look forward to a day when the world knows one prominent word and knows very clearly the meaning of that word, whether they agree with it or not – the word “Christian.” I recognize that there are differences in the way individuals choose to practice belief. But denominationalism has only been divisive and weakening for the larger Church. There was only one Bible written, one trinitarian God, and there ought to be One Church.
It does not matter to me whether someone would say they are or are not an evangelical Christian, and I do not care to define whether or not I am. What does matter to me is, if you are a Christian, how are you using your life for Christ? Ted, if your books are the way God is using you, and if you feel down to your core that you have not betrayed that alliance and source, then it matters not the labels and who will pick you up based on them. We are to seek first God’s kingdom and righteousness and all else He will give to us as we need.
Interestingly, on a separate point, I am a fan of yours, although not authentically yet. I haven’t read any book of yours yet, but I picked up “Saint” this weekend and plan on reading it soon. I wanted to pick up the Black, Red, White trilogy but they didn’t have it where I was, so that will be next. Thanks for your thought provoking discussion on this. I pray you will follow hard after God and not men in your writing and decisions.
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Well, you said it yourself. The words depend on the speaker and hearer, as well as the writer and reader.
The Bible itself can be used as a prime example of having words taken and misused, simply because times have changed and the words stay the same.
However, when it comes to the Bible, God has in some way inspired translators to reintegrate modern words into the translation so that is better understood.
I would think that if you are going to label your book, you should use words that will be better understood, rather than a word that could easily be confused with another meaning, even if your intentions are for it have a different meaning entirely.
Interesting. I have read almost all of your books, and love the challenge they give of examining good and evil in the world today. Clearly, it is not always where it is “supposed” to be. I have found that sometimes the brand new “Christians”, people who have just come to know Jesus are those who are the most authentic and selfless (as I’ve seen so often in your books). Unfortunately, it is often the “Evangelical Christians” who preach fire and brimstone and have that self righteous attitude that drive the lost away rather than toward Jesus. Besides, maybe they have forgotten that we are all sinners, even them. Jesus walked among the sinners, and not the church leaders. It wasn’t the people with titles that he chose to be with, it was the ordinary people. I doubt He is very happy with what the Evangelical Christian community is becoming. We need to get back to why we are Christians and who we are here to serve–Jesus, not our pride.
This is a difficult topic for me, as I am a faith-filled Christian with a “gay” brother…who is a “believer”. I’ve yet to understand exactly what makes a person “gay”–is it potentially a genetic blunder or is it societal, or is it both? Having witnessed the effects of poor parenting, I can confidently say that is the case but when I recently posed the question to my mother-in-law (the one who helped me find my salvation), she said that “God does not make mistakes.” I believe that, however, the question I neglected to ask in response is: if that’s the case, why are there children born as Siamese twins, why are there birth defects, and why do other various atrocities occur?
It’s not that I want to make homosexual people feel as though they are defective in some way, as everybody bleeds the same, but I wish we had some answers so I too, could be my “gay” self again and not feel sheepish about wearing a shirt with a rainbow…God’s reminder that he is ever-present in our lives and would never condemn us to a life without him–how odd that a rainbow should be the symbol used to signify gayness…I just wanna watch my daughter use her crayons and not feel odd when she enjoys drawing prismatic creations across her sketch pad.
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This is very true.. that is that evangelical christianity isn’t all that it used to be. Out of curiosity, have you heard of Doug Philips, Voddie Baucham, and/or Kevin Swanson?? They are preachers. If you aren’t familiar with them i encourage you to look them up. A good starting place could be Doug Philips’ website/blog: http://www.visionforum.com/hottopics/blogs/dwp/
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This is a difficult subject for me as well!! I’m a high school student living in a semi-small town, & I’m a Christian!! And there are a lot of students in my sckool who are “gay”, & some of them concider me their friend!! And its really hard to be a good friend to them & be a good Christian around them!! Some times I don’t know what to say when they ask me for my oppions & I have no idea what to say!! And its even harder to share Jesus with them, because of what the bible says about what awaits them!! You just have to do the best you can!!
The word “Christian” literally means “little Christ” and we should strive to be likewise. Christianity means only one thing, you have chosen to forsake sin and follow Christ, no matter what the cost. People can call it anything they want, but you know when its real. There is only one way to become a Christian, and thats through the Cross of Jesus Christ.
I don’t have any qualms with reaching people with a message of Gods love through a secular label. But I do believe that we are waisting our time trying with language like that found about halfway down page 212 of Bonemans Daughters. We are called to be separate from the “world” by God himself:so why are we trying to be the”world” to reach it? We are worrying about the phrase evangelical christian being misunderstood but yet have we considered the crazy mixed signals we are sending with this type of approach? Inviting people to separate themselves from sin by using sin to do it is a little conflicting isn’t it?
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I went to teddekker.com to get your “free speech” link, but couldn’t find it. Is there some way that I can get it?
Do you think the scripture that says “to the pure all things are pure” still applies, looks like our minds are being renewed the other way round. you are not just gifted, u are blessing the world with it. by the way, do you have any story about your parent’s ministry life, would love to read about their lives as missionaries.
Iam a new fan, I have read Three and Skin and want to read everything you have. I am so thrilled you have this blog because I have been trying to figure out a way to write you because I want your take on the “gay” world today. I am a Christian and have been for a very long time. My daughter is gay and as a Christian Mother I feel it is my calling to love my daughter as Christ loves her. To be there for her and not turn my back on her just because I do not believe her lifestyle is a “sin”. She was brought up in church but she has turned her back on organized religion as well as saying she does not believe in Jesus Christ. She believes he walked the earth and told good stores but that is about it. I have a lot of conflict in my life over these issues but I want to be there when she turns around (because I pray and believe she will). If I turned against her how could I say I loved her as Christ does, I would not be giving her the example He give us. Because we are all sinners and no sin is greater than another, he loves us all but we must love Him as well. I have come to know many of her friends and love them too, I do not preach to any of them I just try to show them that I love them. My heart is heavy for her and them. I read the article on you in the paper last Sunday and saw that at one time you turned away as well and are still not into “organized religion”. Is there a place you would recommed for someone like my daughter where she would feel welcome but maybe come to see the light? I think the world needs someone like you to reach the unsaved who do not relate to the “old folks” like me. God Bless you Ted.
as a mother of a daghter who chosen to turn her back on God/Jesus,and live a homosexual lifestyle I feel your pain. Many years of prayers and tears have been pled and shed for our daughter. I must hold onto God’s promises of household salvation and the seed of the righteous being delivered. I would like to hear from you (Maria Perez blog posted may 15 09 at 6:11 pm) I will pray for you for guidance/direction concerning your daughter and would apperiate your prayers for mine. Remember the more people praying God’s will equals more spiritual strength for victory. God bless you!!!
I’ve been a fan for a while and own all but two or three of your books. Fascinatingly, I’m not as shocked by the violence as I was the language.
This is the first Dekker novel I’ve read with ass and piss, and i’m shocked at this. I’ve loved your books down to the very core. I’ve tried wrapping my mind around every possibility you’d allow in your books yet you always find that back door! You are an amazing author, and Boneman’s Daughters is no exception. I’m worried about you. This could be a gateway to more language and a few unbelievers will be willing to play semantics over these few words.
Personally I embrace the term “Jesus Freak”. Seriously!
As someone mentioned before, one of the most beautiful expressions of God’s love to the world is the rainbow. And now that glorious symbol is slowly being corroded. I however refuse to relinquish the rainbow, for it is and will remain God’s sign of love to all.
I´m an Evangelical Christian missionary in Brazil. I use the term “Evangelical” simply because it stands in sharp contrast to everything else that is simply not Christian… although I don´t hold any particular affinity or fondness to the label, since it was only something I picked up living in Latin America. In South Africa, in my little world at least, 10 years back I would have called myself a Pentecostal or Charismatic Christian. I´ll stick to the term Evangelical Christian so long as it identifies the kind of Church I attend, even if there is a somewhat jaded (perhaps rightly so) perception in the eyes of an unbeliever (and the global community at large) as to the image and veracity of the Evangelical Church.
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Ironically, even though I would like to be packaged and labeled as a “generic” Christian should (as simply “Christian”) – since I have been bought by the blood of Christ – I myself have regarded with caution (before getting to know them) those who have refused to identify themselves as Evangelical Christians even though they attend Evangelical churches. I bumped into another missionary at a bank not so long ago… and of course I wanted to know whether or not he was “Evangelical”. He simply told me that he was a Christian… and when I tried to probe into doctrine to see whether he might be with a cult of some sort, he simply told me that he lived in a community that lived and practiced as the first century Christians did. To this day I wish I had asked for an email address, because I still don’t know whether or not he was a true believer… then again, perhaps he didn’t have an email contact, since he now lives as they did in the first century
Anyways, I honestly think there are greater obstacles to reaching out with the Gospel than worrying what the world or individuals may think of how we choose to identify ourselves as Christians. No matter our “label”, Christ should be demonstrated in our lives, as is happening through Ted Dekker’s writing.
If people see Jesus in our lives, then they will come to understand what we mean by “Evangelical” or “Christian” or “Evangelical Christian” or simply a “believer”. I don’t know how the Church will come together, but I do know that Christ is the head of His Body… so I do know that He will bring it together as He purposed at the right time.
Until then I will continue to walk that gray line and download from wherever I can find Ted Dekker’s novels, whether it be audio files from nameless file hosting services or ebooks in pdf format from nameless p2p programs, haha… some of the most difficult material you could hope to find on the internet.
God bless!!
You’re right – being “Christian” or “evangelical” nowadays has certain political connotations and stereotypes attached to it. I like the term that Tony Campolo and others are using: “Red Letter Christian.” For those who are truly committed to following Jesus and his words (where the “red letter” part comes from), it seems to fit.
I have been a fan of your work for about a year now. I have just finished the Circle trilogy and enjoyed it very much.
I agree that the term evangelical meaning has changed over the years and will mean different things to different people. Also people will bring their own beliefs and prejudice to the term.
The term ,”Evangelical” used to be associated with the Lutheran Church. Now it seems that the term is being used to describe a host of other christian “protestant” churches and not only Lutheran. This may or may not be true or could be just be one of my prejudices.
What really matters is Christ. That we believe that he died for us while we were still sinners and that thru his grace alone we are saved and not by any of our own doing or works. My church host a weekly radio show called Radical Grace. Anyone can download one of the shows from the webside radialgraceradio.com.
I don’t thinks it is important that your new books are labeled ‘evangelical christian”. Let your work speak for itself. I just got Boneman’s daughter for father’s day and have not read it yet. As a police detective I am anxious to read this one. I have found your books to be unpredictable, which I find refreshing.
Aaryn pointed out the language issue. I am a huge fan, listened to all but three books – I have an hour commute to work every day, so I get all the books on audio and listen during the drive. Where I was going with that was, I always get the unabridged versions. My wife happens to be a fan also, and read the book. I noticed in the Audio version that on top of the words Arayan mentioned, there were also two very blatant “G**D**’s” in there. Close to the end of chapters 3 and 6. I haven’t looked at my wife’s copy yet to see if it’s in the written print or not. But I hope not. And I pray that the language does not become any more of an issue. You can be mainstream, without the language, and really get people’s attention, because they will notice that you can tell a story without it! And in the case of some authors, the books wouldn’t be nearly as long!
As for being mainstream – I think you may have hit that mark with ADAM, my second favorite book of all time (#1 is the Lord of the Ring’s trilogy). But back to Bone Man – loved the story, excellent book! But the language adds nothing.
About Boneman’s Daughters, I must say I was very disappointed with this book. I’ve read and own every book you’ve ever written and I love the allegories that you bring to light in each book and the way they intertwine with other books you’ve written. Boneman’s Daughters was, to me, a sell out. It’s like you wrote a mainstream novel and then at the end sort of threw an allegory in there to tie in some sort of Biblical principle. The language in the book was EXTREMELY offensive to me as was the borderline sexual references when the Boneman was alone with the girl. To me, this book crossed the line. I know of 3 local bookstores in my area who have pulled it from their shelves and I took my copy back and requested my money back. This book could have been such a great book, like your others. Instead, it’s a “mainstream” novel with some very light references to God and language and sexual references that I was appalled by. I love your writing and I was extremely disappointed in this book.
I don’t know if this means you are gay…as in homo gay, but I think that being gay is not given by God. Yes, he still loves people who are gay as much as anyone else, but He can love the sinner and hate the sin. That’s what i say. I love your books and think they are great. i have read skin,three,house, and i am in the process of reading showdown. (i’m at the part where Johnny is still noticing his mom is not quite right. It’s a good book. anyway…hope to jump in on another convo soon!
God met us where we live. There’s not much more dissimilar in the universe than our sin and God’s holiness. And yet, he built a bridge, came and got us, and carried us back.
That’s what we do as Christian artists. We connect. We give up on message, and open conduits for meaning. We create room for God to work.
A person with a message says, “Listen to me, I’ve got it all figured out.” An artist says, “Here, take my hand. I want you to experience this with me.”
Ultimately, it comes down to love. “If I speak in the tongues of men and angels, but have not love, I have become sounding
brass or a tinkling symbol.” Put another way, the heart does not use the same words as the mouth. What does a word (or action, or art) matter, if we lose sight of this? God loved us enough to come to us in our muck and mire. If he’d just talked a good game, and used all the eloquent words of the age – well, the Pharisees would have championed him. Blessed is he who comes in the name of the religious order.
Instead, he chose to speak with meaning. And it hurt him, in ways we may never really fathom. That’s the example I wish to emulate as a Christian artist.
So I’m with you, Ted.
Recently in my fellowship at school we discussed sexual purity and we talked about some of the things we watch, see or hear that make us sexually impure. Suprsingly, some of the guys mentioned some Christian novels as arousing sexual feelings in them. I’ve not read Boneman’s daughters but wit wot I’v heard, I’m a trifle scared to read it. I think Christian writers have to be really careful to ensure that what they write is totally edifying. I think there should be boundaries to what kind of language is used- a sort of fence so that people do not lose sight of d real msg. Of course, not everybody might be pleased wit all you write but I want you to listen to God’s opinion on the matter. Before any book goes to print, examine it carefully and ask urself; does it really glorify God? If it does, go on ahead and publish it.
That really is a humdinger of a question. It is really tragic the way our culture twists the meaning of words.
It’s a “Paulism” isnt it to slip into the terms of the hearer? I hope so, because it’s how I try to be. Perhaps some of that comes from reading your novels… some of it from English author Adrian Plass and most from being a mum to an 18 year spread of children. I loathe cliche and I loathe the ‘in’ talk… when you can tell what course people have done that then provides a measure of their vocabulary. (Which I might only know because I have done those courses too – not bagging the content [context] just the inability to incorporate those things into our selves). Cliches are so because of their depth of meaning but the familiarity of them IS contemptuous and a loss to the hearer for not grapsing their import. LEarning in recent years a little more of “Christian” history – much very unglorious – I do struggle to call myself Christian when the association of the word is so tainted, yet my love for God and the work of His Living WOrd has deepened and broadened beyond measure. Also born on a mission field within cooee of headhunters (New Guinea)and raised in church (Australia) my church speak is pretty fluent, but even in talking with the other Churchese I want to know Him more and help in what ever way I might to help others go deeper and using different frames and words encourages that thought more in both myself and the people we spend time with. We need to speak the language of the hearer, increasing their understanding, from their yardstick in ways that help them disconnect from their preheld ideas of what the certain words mean.
My new-age spirit-guided friend nods her head in agreement at the words “heaven and hell, sin and redemtion”. Her concept is not the Biblical one but she doesnt know it till I tell her – she assumes we mean the same thing.
Part of my adventure is discovering that.
While “gay” in the title was a vehicle for something bigger, I do find this verse terribly interesting for a bunch of reasons…
MT 19:11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
I believe this is the part where most people never define what they talk about. I believe clear definition and not just label separation will clear problems up and help people see the truth.We explain scriptural what we believe and be clear. But most people including myself are lazy when it comes to explanation. I hope to improve on this but clear scriptural explanations will help.I wrote a blog about being gay also if your interested check it out.
http://confessionsyoungpreacher.blogspot.com/
My heart was beating out of my chest when I started thinking my favorite author was a homosexual…. glad i read on. WHEW!
This isn’t quite the right blog post for my question, but it fits in: I’m working on an academic project in which I’ll be looking at the differences between Blink and In the Blink of an Eye. It seems that the revised version of the book is less “evangelical” than the first version. Is there any chance of getting a comment from Ted on this, maybe even a list of the specific changes? (I’m having trouble locating a copy of the older version in Switzerland.)
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Jamie says:
July 4, 2009 at 10:43 am
About Boneman’s Daughters, I must say I was very disappointed with this book. I’ve read and own every book you’ve ever written and I love the allegories that you bring to light in each book and the way they intertwine with other books you’ve written. Boneman’s Daughters was, to me, a sell out. It’s like you wrote a mainstream novel and then at the end sort of threw an allegory in there to tie in some sort of Biblical principle. The language in the book was EXTREMELY offensive to me as was the borderline sexual references when the Boneman was alone with the girl. To me, this book crossed the line. I know of 3 local bookstores in my area who have pulled it from their shelves and I took my copy back and requested my money back. This book could have been such a great book, like your others. Instead, it’s a “mainstream” novel with some very light references to God and language and sexual references that I was appalled by. I love your writing and I was extremely disappointed in this book
Hi Jamie,
I too share disappointment with the book for me what has absolutely horrific was the ending where they burned the farm with the boneman in it. For me that was the further thing from representing Christ in this book I told my husband I will no longer purchase Ted Dekker books
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